No Agenda Episode 414: "Thingamajig" (2012-06-03)

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John C. Dvorak:
Eh, yeah! You're full of crap!
Jingle:
Adam Curry and John C Dvorak
Adam Curry:
Hey! It's Sunday, June 3rd 2012, time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 414!
Jingle:
This is No Agenda.
Adam Curry:
Celebrating our Tungsten Jubilee here at Camp Mofo in the capital of the Drone Star State, Austin, Texas. In the morning, everybody! I'm Adam Curry.
John C. Dvorak:
And from northern silicon valley, I'm John C Dvorak.
Jingle:
It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning!
Adam Curry:
Opening with a stinger! Nice!
John C. Dvorak:
Whatever it takes.
Adam Curry:
Wow, man! Are we ever in the vacation period or what? I mean we've got nothing but Diamond Jubilee on TV.
John C. Dvorak:
[chuckle] All the shows are off and..
Adam Curry:
And the crazy thing is, apparently you can celebrate on 60th year of top elitist. The way I remember it..
John C. Dvorak:
I thought diamond was 50.
Adam Curry:
No diamond is gold, 75.
Adam Curry:
No.
John C. Dvorak:
"Diamond is gold, 75" What kind of sentence is that?
Adam Curry:
I'm practising to be Erin Burnett. Uh no, 50 is gold. 75 is diamond. It's nothing, 60 isn't even anything. You're not supposed to get anything at 60
John C. Dvorak:
So why are they going on and on about it?
Adam Curry:
To distract everybody! And these stupid slaves, I mean I see all the reports. We've got all the reporters in England.
Adam Curry:
It's raining. It's the coldest spring day ever in Europe today. It's raining. It's coming down in buckets, and the stupid slaves are standing there with their flags. "Uh, I can't wait to see the old lady! She coming, the old lady! In her golden carriage!"
John C. Dvorak:
Oh that's why. I didn't realise this was going on. Every time I turned on the TV, they had a thing on one of the BBC shows where Prince Charles discovered some old home movies.
Adam Curry:
Heh! [raspberry noise]
John C. Dvorak:
Made by the queen.
Adam Curry:
Shooting elephants in Africa, no doubt.
John C. Dvorak:
No, actually it was her playing with him when he was a little 1 year-old toddler.
Adam Curry:
Uh huh.
jd. And it was actually kind of funny, but it was like, "Why are they showing me this?"
It just never ceases to amaze me how easily distracted people are, or maybe they're just like so happy to have a reason to party. I don't know, it's baffling to me.
Adam Curry:
Although, I have to say there is some interesting television going on. CNN has done something interesting for once, now that of course "Piers Moron" [aka Piers Morgan] had to go back to the UK to celebrate the queen lizard.
John C. Dvorak:
Really? I though he'd get arrested if he went back.
Adam Curry:
Oh, he might not even be there. So they have these guest hosts. Hand that's interesting. Harvey Weinstein did a guest host.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, I missed that. I wanted to see it.
Adam Curry:
Yeah it was good. And I saw Regis Philban with David Letterman. Outstanding interview, I thought.
Adam Curry:
You know, it's inside baseball, I mean very uninteresting. The normal public would be like, "Who are these 2 old guys?" But you know, that's actually entertaining. I sat down and went, 'Oh my god," I actually said to Miss Micky and I said, "I'll be right there." I'm watching CNN and I'm engaged! I cant believe it!
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, that's because you have people are somewhat engaging as opposed to Piers Morgan who's like a stiff.
Adam Curry:
Mhm, yeah.
Adam Curry:
But there is stuff happening, for sure. And I have to say, I'm getting worried, really getting worried that uh who's that douche.. Cass Sunstein. Is that is his name, Cass Sunstein?
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah Cass Sunstein, the finagler.
Adam Curry:
That's right. He's the one that said, 'we need to infiltrate these groups, and work them from the inside,' and i think it's pretty much happened.
Adam Curry:
At this point. And I see it on NoAgendaNewsNetwork.com and I'm going to start clearing that up, because people have added a lot of these site that aggregate stuff. And I like some of them but you get like activist posts. So, the way we've set NoAgendaNewsNetwork.com up, is you can just add an RSS feed. And the idea is you create a blog somewhere, add your own RSS feed, and it shows up in the news network.
Adam Curry:
And so, I'm kind of battling with people like, "Yeah this is a great source of news!" So, every week I'm deleting additions of Infowars.com. You know, that's not a great source of news, that's an aggregater of stuff and it all has to be vetted. We've got to look at it. Then we still have a couple of guys who's like TheDenMan, WT, they're really doing a great job and finding stuff and posting on the feed. But there is stuffing coming through that really has me worried. And this, actually, I watched some C-SPAN,
Adam Curry:
There was something going on. And everyone's on top of this, the ITU. I'm sure you've read about this story, the ITU?
John C. Dvorak:
The ITU? What did they do now?
Adam Curry:
Well, the ITU is the International Telecommunication Union.
John C. Dvorak:
Right.
Adam Curry:
A United Nations outfit. So there was a hearing on the hill. And the hearing was about- remember I told you,
Adam Curry:
you can look it up in The Red Book, I said ICANN, there's something weird going on at ICANN. These are the guys who control the internet names, and indirectly the root domain servers. And the previous shill just got retired. And there's all kind of stuff going on. And so Vint Cerf is on the hill and he's testifying because the word is,
Adam Curry:
And if you look at the ITU website, there is no actual mention of it, but there was an interview in, I think Vanity Fair of all places. Are you talking to someone else?
John C. Dvorak:
No.
Adam Curry:
Oh. maybe just some feedback. Um, that the head of the ITU wants to take over the functioning of ICANN. And, of course, I'm against all United Nations organizations, so that's not a good thing,
Adam Curry:
but when I just hear how within the first 30 seconds of this 2 and a half hour Senate testimony, I knew this thing was rigged. Listen to this, this is the chairman, he's Greg Walden, he's a republican from Oregon.
Greg Walden, US Representative of Oregon:
Morning! I want to welcome our witnesses and appreciate their testimony today. This is the sub-committee on communications and technology and our hearing on international to regulate the internet.
Greg Walden, US Representative of Oregon:
Nations from across the globe will meet at a United Nations forum in Dubai at the end of this year, and if we're not vigilant, just. might. break the internet
Adam Curry:
Ugh.
Greg Walden, US Representative of Oregon:
by subjecting it to an international regulatory regime designed for old-fashioned telephone service.
Adam Curry:
So the set-up is there, you need to watch no further, really. [chuckle] It's like, "Okay. So we know what your agenda is, Mr. Chairman" They're going to break the internet. And the concept of breaking the internet is pretty vast.
Adam Curry:
If you really know the technical workings of it. The only thing that could really be broken I think at this point, is the domain name system. That's what this is all about. So then, there is this testimony and Vint Cerf, who I would like to remind everybody is, he works for Google, okay? He works for Google. Google has a stake in this. And I could play you clips of his testimony, but I found his written testimony to be more important because, and I'm finding this more and more,
Adam Curry:
because there's a lot of stuff in there that they don't say, in the actual testimony, but the real record is what their actual testimony is. I want you to follow along and tell me if you think I'm off-base here because I think something nefarious is happening.
So he starts off uh.. with this "Chairman Walde, Ranking Member Eshoo, and members of the subcommittee." First of all he touts about his, you know, there's his background he's a VP.
Adam Curry:
A chief Internet Evangelist at Google Inc. I always run away from people with an "evangelist" title. "I also serve as a Fellow of the IEEE." And last week, he was elected as the President of American Association for the Advancement of Science. What do you know about that organisation? Is that anything valid?
John C. Dvorak:
I think it's a drinking club.
Adam Curry:
That's what I though. And here's something weird, if I was testifying one the hill something about podcasting,
Adam Curry:
I could pretty much guarantee that I would not say, "You know, I'm the Podfather." How does that sound? Would that sound kind of..
John C. Dvorak:
I'd love [clears throat] I'd love to hear you say that on the hill
Adam Curry:
Yeah. Don't you think people would go like, "What a douche bag!"
John C. Dvorak:
Oh yeah.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] Okay. Well, here in his testimony, "As one of the “fathers of the Internet” and as a computer scientist, I care deeply about issues relating to the Internet’s infrastructure." I find that to be kind of douche-y.
Adam Curry:
You know? You don't think that's douche-y?
John C. Dvorak:
It's not flattering.
Adam Curry:
No. Okay so, he's here to enter in his testimony, which is only 3 pages. The internet and the ITU, so he starts off - that's the subheading - "After its inception as a U.S. Government project," after! "the Internet has been decentralized to maximize the effectiveness of the open, bottom-up, multi-stakeholder approach."
Adam Curry:
I find that to be factually incorrect.
John C. Dvorak:
Why?
Adam Curry:
The concept of the internet, I mean DARPAnet, was not the internet, DARPAnet was DARPAnet. The internet is the decentralised-
John C. Dvorak:
It's actually "ARPAnet by DARPA."
Adam Curry:
I'm sorry, ARPAnet by DARPA. "DARPA inside" ["Intel inside" parody]. So, I find that to be a little bit misleading. So say, "after its inception, the internet has been decentralised." The internet is a decentralised network,
Adam Curry:
and the only core protocol that matters is TCP/IP. "Many multi-stakeholder organizations have played a fundamental role in Internet governance and evolution. These include the non-profit ICANN, that oversees the handling of domain names." So now he's setting up the ICANN, and talks about the Internet Society. And by the way, are a bunch of elitist pricks. You know, back in '92 all of this was coming about. You know, we had Internet Society, the EFF.
Adam Curry:
And I tried to join these organisations and was shunned! They wouldn't even return a call or an email. I mean, have you ever sat in on this drinking club? The ISOC, The Internet Society?
John C. Dvorak:
Um, no, no. But you're probably right.
Adam Curry:
And I remember, my domain name dispute with MTV, I went straight to John Perry-Barlow at EFF, they're like, "Nah. We're not going to help you." Because they're elitist pricks. For example, "although ICANN has representatives from all over regions of the world,
Adam Curry:
on its board, more international representatives could be added." So he wants to keep ICANN going because there's a lot as we've already discussed on a previous show, I probably can point to that one in the show notes. There's a lot going on with ICANN there. I do not think they are kosher at all. But here's the pitch Vint Cerf, this is what I was getting to, quoting from him: And "we also need to work together to create and refine voluntarily developed codes of conduct. A U.S.-based non-profit called the Global Network Initiative (GNI) is a great example!" Ah, okay.
Adam Curry:
And then he talk about this GNI. This is the one we got to look at, and I want you to go to GlobalNetworkInitiative.org so you can take a look at who's in on this. And they have some core documents which I've of course read so you don't have to.
Right here on their homepage, the whole thing is about human rights, John. Human rights! Human rights and the internet.
Adam Curry:
And then, of course there are only really three founding members of this outfit. And that is Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft. And they are planning to take everything over. And that is why Vint Cerf is out there shilling on the hill, is they want the GNI to be the one to make all the rules. And if you look at who's on the board. Well, if you just look at staff, if you will, the GNI staff then you can look at the board of directors.
Adam Curry:
The Executive Director here, Susan Morgan. I wonder if you know any of these people? Susan Morgan of British Telecom shill, the Independent Chair, former..
John C. Dvorak:
Where are you getting this?
Adam Curry:
GlobalNetworkIntiative.org
John C. Dvorak:
No, I'm on the site, but I've downloaded the uh..
Adam Curry:
No just on the site itself, click on "About"
John C. Dvorak:
[quietly, almost mumbling] Okay. This damn thing; instead of loading it separately - [normally] I've got the thing open, I just want to see what Susan Morgan's message is.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] Yeah, she's got a message.
John C. Dvorak:
Here she is, she looks like a Googler. She looks like-
Adam Curry:
Well, she's a BTer. She's a BTer.
John C. Dvorak:
You've got a picture of her? She looks like Serge!
Adam Curry:
She does! You know what, she might be.
John C. Dvorak:
Serge gets a kick out of putting a dress on.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] Serge in drag. Okay, so Serge is drag is heading this thing up, it's obvious. But look at all these people, man. These are all elitists, uh corporatists, who want to control the internet.
Adam Curry:
That's what this entire conversation is about. It's not about, and of course, I'm against any United Nations organisation running anything for us.
John C. Dvorak:
Uhh!
Adam Curry:
What?
John C. Dvorak:
Why browser locked up.
Adam Curry:
Ugh!
John C. Dvorak:
Adobe Acrobat: "One or more pdf documents are open inside a web browser. If you exit Acrobat, those documents will be closed. Are you sure you want to exit?" And then it says "Exit" and "Cancel." I click nothing happens, and I click nothing happens. I click the little "x" in the red box and nothing happens.
John C. Dvorak:
I click on the "Do not show message again" and it doesn't click. Now I'm screwed.
Adam Curry:
[laughter] I'm sorry.
John C. Dvorak:
Okay, let me just ctrl+alt+delete.
Adam Curry:
Will that break our Skype connection? Are you going to go away?
John C. Dvorak:
No, no. I'm just going to hit the - wait a minute.
Adam Curry:
Oh!
John C. Dvorak:
What happened? Oh, it finally came back, never mind.
Adam Curry:
Okay, good.
John C. Dvorak:
[clears throat] Okay, "About Us"
Adam Curry:
Right, just look at these people.
John C. Dvorak:
Board of Directors.
Adam Curry:
These are the people you need to be afraid of.
John C. Dvorak:
You're getting quite goo at finding these obscure websites. I don't know why these people - they shouldn't pout anything on-line. So we've got Steve Crown from Microsoft, I don't know any of these people.
Adam Curry:
No. Well you see the 3. The people who are running this, Microsoft, Yahoo and Google.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, they're the ITC companies. The independent chair's German brooks.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, Price-Waterhouse-Cooper's guy.
John C. Dvorak:
Oh, he's just a bean counter.
Adam Curry:
Civil Society Organisations, Human Rights Watch, Centre for Democracy and Technology.
Adam Curry:
Committee to Protect Journalists, Human Rights First, and we know as we've discussed, whenever someone is touting "human rights," it's probably being used to shut you up one way or the other. Human rights, my butt!
John C. Dvorak:
Where did you get the human rights thing?
Adam Curry:
Oh, this is the Board of Directors.
John C. Dvorak:
I'm looking at it. It says, "the board is comprised of eight.." it doesn't say anything about human rights.
Adam Curry:
Scroll down. "Civil," here. Five companies...
John C. Dvorak:
Civil society, investors, academic, academic, following members serves as alternative board members.
John C. Dvorak:
You have the same people,
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
academic alternatives and.. where's human rights?
Adam Curry:
Up at the top there. "Civil Society Organisations"
John C. Dvorak:
Oh. Oh, Human Rights Watch, top guy.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, Centre for Democracy and Technology, Committee to Protect Journalists, Human Rights First. It's all about human rights. Human rights.
Adam Curry:
And I mean, what is the internet really have to do with human rights? Nothing, but they're going to..
John C. Dvorak:
No, it's a network.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, but they they're going to be using human rights.
John C. Dvorak:
Why don;t they have human rights about Windows 8?
Adam Curry:
[laughter]
John C. Dvorak:
It's the new Windows 8 human rights initiative.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, [chuckle] dies that really exist?
John C. Dvorak:
No, but might as well.
Adam Curry:
It might, it might. Yeah. So, what's happening is everyone is focusing now on this ITU, and oh it's horrible.
Adam Curry:
And in the meantime, they're slipping in this Global Networking Initiative, and it's going to be run by some corporations instead of what was initially intended to be good was the non-profit ICANN.
I have big questions about that, as you know. And at the end of the day, we're really only about who controls the domain name system. I don't really thing, and you know this it my own theory, I don't think anyone could control the network, the TCP/IP network,
Adam Curry:
because if they could we'd already be taxed! There would be no access without paying extra, I think that genie is out of the bottle. So what, so break the domain name system. Something else will be re-built in its place.
John C. Dvorak:
Well you can always go with the direct connections to the IP. Well, that's almost going to be impossible because as of today, VP6 is up and running and it's supposed to be replacing everything.
Adam Curry:
So, who's running it? Who's running IPV6? I'm not running IPV6, am I?
John C. Dvorak:
Probably.
Adam Curry:
No.
John C. Dvorak:
You might be surprised. Almost every router has got it built in.
Adam Curry:
Hmm
John C. Dvorak:
I don't know, you have to take a look at your current IP addresses. If it's really long and weird, which, by the way, makes it almost impossible to do direct IP-addressing. Now-a-days, if you lost your domain, you could put an IP number in there, and it's pretty, you know, what is is? 1-2-3..
Adam Curry:
I just did "what's my IP address?" and whatsmyip.org and it's just a regular number, so..
John C. Dvorak:
But it's supposed to be up and running today.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, right, okay.
John C. Dvorak:
It's what they say.
Adam Curry:
But do you understand my point that the real issue that have is that alternative news sources start freaking out about the wrong things and they start getting indoctrinated, in this case by Google.
Google is really just not your friend. I'm just not buying that they're our friend, particularly not when someone gets up there and says, "Hehh! I'm the father of the internet!"
Adam Curry:
"Do what I say!"
John C. Dvorak:
[laughter] Yeah, well.
Adam Curry:
I think you need to be a little careful about stuff like that.
John C. Dvorak:
It's definitely uh..
Adam Curry:
And when the stooge gets up there and says, "they're going to break the internet!" They're not going to break the internet! And no one calls him on it. "Excuse me, that's kind of bull crap, what you're saying there, breaking the internet."
John C. Dvorak:
Well, if you break the DNS system, for all practical purposes, you've broken the internet.
Adam Curry:
Hmm. Well, who's..
John C. Dvorak:
And that's been the fear of ICANN all along. They used to brainwash me with lectures.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
John C. Dvorak:
About every couple of years, they'd fly me down to San Diego, or wherever it was they had their offices in Southern California somewhere. And then they'd moan and groan about the Russians and the South Africans, and the Brazilians, and all these other douche bags, and Saudi Arabia, want to get a hold of the internet so they can screw it up to keep themselves in power,
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
So they don't have to deal with it. And the back story is that they don't know how DNS works. They're going to screw up the internet, that's what they're talking about.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, but we could, I mean, I've no doubt that if the Domain Name System get broken, that something else wouldn't emerge very quickly. We have our own DNS server. A lot of us were just like, "Oh okay, we can just switch over to this." I mean, it'll be a start. It'll be a huge problem.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, we'd have like an audience of 40.
Adam Curry:
Well, that's only 10 less, so it's not a big deal. [laughter]
John C. Dvorak:
[laughter]
Adam Curry:
But you know, we've got to be careful. And you need a balance diet of news, is what I'm saying. And you can't just be looking at these places that are aggregating and say, "Ohh!"
John C. Dvorak:
We're wrapping it back around to the No Agenda News Network complaint. That's good.
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
It's a ring.
Adam Curry:
[clears throat] It is a ring.
Adam Curry:
But the best one, the best one, and of course I'm really awake. Now I'm really looking out for this Fukushima bull crap we talked about. So here's the latest, [chuckles] and now that I see all of these stories aggregated. "US Army General Says the Whole Northern Hemisphere is at Risk of Becoming Largely Unimhabitable!"
John C. Dvorak:
[laughter] [applauds] I like that.
Adam Curry:
And this one's propagated far and wide, John. It's all over the place.
Adam Curry:
And everyone's copying basically the same story. And I'm like, "Okay, I got to trace this one back." And of course, you know in this are quotes from that douche bag we already unmasked, the uh,, what's his name again..
Well listen, if a name starts off like this: "according to a host of scientists, nuclear experts, and researchers, we are facing the exactly such a scenario." If you read that, stop reading any further!
Adam Curry:
"Host of scientists", "dire," and words like this: "chilling!" So here it is: "according to US Army general," which he is major general, "Albert N. Stubblebine III, retired.
John C. Dvorak:
[scoff] What does he know about it? Is he part of a committee studying it?
Adam Curry:
Oh! I'm glad you asked! He has a website, and now I'm tracking these things back. I got to find out where it came from.
Adam Curry:
So yeah, I'll play you his little clip, which is a video clip, and they've edited it where it literally jump edits like, "boink, boink, boink." [chuckle] But listen to how it starts off.
Clip:
dramatic new music
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] Ladies and gentlemen! Be very afraid! We have alternative news for you! Mainstream media is covering this up! Very, very dire situation! Fukushima!
Clip:
dramatic music continues
Adam Curry:
Now we see big nuclear clouds on the screen. [chuckles] Listen to him.
Adam Curry:
He standing in his barn, I think outside. This is the intro music.
Clip:
music ends
Adam Curry:
Oh, here we go.
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
My name is Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III.
Adam Curry:
By the way, great name. If you add the III after anything, it's like, "Oh man, he's in this for a long time. This is the guy." Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, listen..
John C. Dvorak:
This guy retired in 1984.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] I know.
John C. Dvorak:
And he's also known for his interest in parapsychology.
Adam Curry:
I know, shh! Don't blow it!
John C. Dvorak:
He's a nutball!
Adam Curry:
[chuckles]
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
US Army, retired. I'm the president of a natural solutions foundation.
John C. Dvorak:
Uh..
Adam Curry:
Don't go Googling yet!
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
I am deeply worried about your health, and the health of your family because of the Fukushima disaster. My speciality is intelligence.
Adam Curry:
Ah! Intel!
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
I warned you of the dangers of the Swine Flu vaccine, and you stayed away in droves!
Adam Curry:
D'yeah! Thank you for saving me!
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah! Geez, I'm glad he's the one!
Adam Curry:
He's the guy!
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
I warned you the dangers of GMO's, the Genetically Modified Organisms, and now today there is a powerful movement-
Adam Curry:
Powerful!
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
to get them out of our food supply,
Adam Curry:
Thank you, General! Major-General! Retired!
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
and off of this planet.
Adam Curry:
So while this is playing, John, go to..
John C. Dvorak:
Well, wait a minute. I want to throw another little tidbit in here.
Adam Curry:
No, no, no! Just go to his website first! GeneralBert.com
John C. Dvorak:
Okay, hang on.
Adam Curry:
B-E-R-T. GeneralBert.com
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
Now, I'm warning you of the greatest danger to your health, and to the health of your family-
John C. Dvorak:
Oh, god!
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
in human history. The 4 simple steps
John C. Dvorak:
The guy's a psycho!
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
that you can take for your family, and your health. The situation is quite frankly, quite dire.
Adam Curry:
Dire!
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
And that's an underestimate.
Adam Curry:
Underestimate!
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
Fill in your email now!
Adam Curry:
[scoff]
Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III, Rit'd.:
So I can sent you my vital, and life-saving estimate of the situation. Free of charge.
Adam Curry:
Free of charge!
Clip:
dramatic news music
Adam Curry:
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You're all going to die! Listen to me!
John C. Dvorak:
Okay so, this is the guy that was the "staring at goats" guy.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] Oh, really? [chuckle] He stared too long!
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, he says he was the proponent of psychic warfare, when he was in there. He was was the one, this guy.
Adam Curry:
Uh huh.
John C. Dvorak:
He evolved into the unit US Military project to breed a super soldier,
John C. Dvorak:
who have the ability to become invisible! and walk through walls!
Adam Curry:
Well.
John C. Dvorak:
Stubblebine reportedly attempted to walked through walls himself,
Adam Curry:
And probably..
John C. Dvorak:
without success.
Adam Curry:
[laughter]
SFX:
Ding!
Adam Curry:
Whoops!
John C. Dvorak:
So... what do we got here?
Adam Curry:
So anyway, I'm through the network today. And every single feed that is posted this story, I'm removing,
Adam Curry:
because this is the stuff - and you know, we've already discussed the actual reports about Fukishima. And this guy is still saying, "Fukushima has already released as much radiation in the atmosphere and the Pacific Ocean as Chernobyl!
The potential for a disaster at least ten times worse! If there's another earthquake, the cooling structures will collapse!" This is just not true. And by the way, I lived in Europe during Chernobyl took place. I do not glow in the dark.
John C. Dvorak:
[chuckle] Really?!
Adam Curry:
Well, let me just turn off the lights.
John C. Dvorak:
I thought it had nothing to do with that!
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] But I remember all that. "Cloud coming over! The cloud's over Holland! We're all going to die!" We did not die. And please, when you want to debunk something through email, don't email a link to Wikipedia, okay? That's not going to cut it. I'm very interested in opinions, and experts, and people who work in the field, sending me a link to Wikipedia is not proof.
Adam Curry:
When we say "The Book of Knowledge," that is kind of said with a wink, just so you know. In case you hadn't caught onto the show yet.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, well we see The Wikipedia as a bunch of fact that certain people put up, maybe of them for political reasons.
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
Especially stuff that's contemporary, it's not very good to know.
Adam Curry:
No.
John C. Dvorak:
Or, very accurate.
John C. Dvorak:
We did have another one that came up, and I think it showed up on the No Agenda News Network, which is the Sanjay Gupta.
Adam Curry:
Oh, what was that about?
John C. Dvorak:
About fructose and sugar.
Adam Curry:
[laughter] Yeah, I have a lot of sugar stuff for you today. Did you have a clip of him uh?
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah I did have a clip. This was a long segment that was on 60 Minutes, and I only have this part of it which is he's talking to some guy, some dendrochronologist,
John C. Dvorak:
who's making the claim that sugar is toxic.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] Yes, yes.
John C. Dvorak:
I think this whole thing was done to uh..
Adam Curry:
It's going to kill you!
John C. Dvorak:
was done to kind of soften the high-fructose corn syrup argument, because the guy claims that sucrose, table sugar is exactly the same as fructose.
Adam Curry:
Uh huh.
John C. Dvorak:
because sucrose is actually two molecules jammed together.
John C. Dvorak:
Fructose and glucose, and it forms sucrose and it has it's own characteristics. It is not fructose, not free fructose, but they make this claim to get us back on the bandwagon. "Oh! HFSC well," here how it happens: they start off "this thing is toxic, toxic, toxic," the guys obviously crazy, and the only thing you walk away from this whole debate is, "Well, the guy's probably nuts and also high-fructose corn syrup is the same as sugar"
John C. Dvorak:
which is bull crap! And play this clip and you'll see what I'm talking about. Oh! Wait, wait! And also to make it even more interesting, they drop a Lady Gaga meme in to it
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
John C. Dvorak:
to kind of really boggle your mind!
Clip (Speaker 1):
bread, even peanut butter, and what about man-made, often vilified sweetener, high-froctose corn syrup?
Clip (Speaker 2):
Is it worse than just table sugar?
Doctor David Lustig:
No, because it's the exact same. The are, basically equivalent.
Doctor David Lustig:
Problem is, they're both bad!
Adam Curry:
Bad!
Doctor David Lustig:
They're both equally toxic.
Adam Curry:
Toxic!
Clip (Speaker 1):
Since the 1970's, sugar had gone down nearly 40%, but high fructose corn syrup has more than made up the difference. Doctor Lustig says they are both toxic, because they both contain fructose. That's what makes them sweet, and irresistible.
Doctor David Lustig:
We love it. We go out of our way to find it. I think one of the reasons evolutionarily is because there is no foodstuff on the planet..
Doctor David Lustig:
that has fructose, that is poisonous to you. It is all good.
Adam Curry:
[chuckles along with clip]
Doctor David Lustig:
When you have something that's sweet, it is an evolutionary, Darwinian signal that this is a safe food. We were born this way.
Adam Curry:
Oh!
Clip:
We were born this way.
SFX:
Ding!
Adam Curry:
[chuckles] Wow... Add you know NBC was on this bandwagon, but they took a different track.
Adam Curry:
They say [chuckles] sugar is as bad as tobacco.
John C. Dvorak:
[laughter]
Clip (Speaker 1):
...attempt to tackle this epidemic..
Adam Curry:
and this, by the way is Mayor Michael Bloomberg outlawing the sale of 16 ounce drinks in restaurants and theatres.
Clip (Speaker 1):
we've talked about, Nancy about obesity in this country. Is this the way go to about it?
Clip (Speaker 2):
A very famous doctor, Doctor David Lustig at U.C., San Francisco
Adam Curry:
He's so famous.
John C. Dvorak:
That's the same guy that was on 60 Minutes.
Adam Curry:
I know, exactly. He's so famous.
Clip (Speaker 2):
says that
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, he was born that way.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
Clip (Speaker 2):
sugar is toxic. It should be regulated like tobacco.
Adam Curry:
Woah! [chuckle]
SFX:
Ding!
Clip (Speaker 2):
It's re-wiring the brain. It is not necessary for anything in the human diet. I think it is a very bold, big move and I have no problem with it.
Clip (Speaker 1):
Donna, we want local government telling can and can't consume. Are you comfortable with that?
Clip (Speaker 3):
You know what, we complain that our politicians don't take stands and aren't courageous. God bless this guy. You know, this is Nancy's
Adam Curry:
God bless Michael Bloomberg! For telling us to sit down and shut up!
Clip (Speaker 3):
point. This is no different than tobacco.
Adam Curry:
Tobacco.
Clip (Speaker 3):
We solve obesity, we solve health care problems.
Clip (Speaker 1):
We've got to do something!
Clip (Speaker 2):
Yeah.
Clip (Speaker 1):
So, of course, you make revolutionary move, there's going to be some complaints. "Are they stepping over the boundaries?" I applaud them.
Adam Curry:
"I applaud them."
John C. Dvorak:
Get rid of biscuits while you're at it. So, if anyone can get a copy of the Saturday New York Times, there's a collector's page in there. The Saturday New York Times has got a picture of, a full-page ad with Bloomberg dressed up as an old Jewish woman,
Adam Curry:
[chuckles]
John C. Dvorak:
making this claim that, you know, that-
John C. Dvorak:
it's an attack ad, against Bloomberg obviously, from the beverage industry.
Adam Curry:
Mhm.
John C. Dvorak:
And, it's quite collectable. Very funny, by the way.
Adam Curry:
Let me play a couple from an interview of Bloomberg just to give you an idea. Now, this started, of course with smoking, he's also going to make the tobacco correlation, where smoking is effectively banned in New York City, and you know, I can tell you what comes next by the way, that's an obvious one. But first, let's listen to him.
John C. Dvorak:
Well wait, when you make your prediction, does it have anything due to that fact that none of these companies, or the people involved actually helped to get re-elected, and he had to go to his own bank account to get his mayoral job, and this is all payback? Is this all possible?
Adam Curry:
It could be possible. I think, if anything he's trying to help out the movie industry by making people buy more than one drink. But listen to the first clip here. This is the "shut up slave" moment from Michael Bloomberg:
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
Well, the way it would work is simply those organisations, those industries that we regulate which are restaurants, and movie theatres, and carts, they could still sell 32 ounces of sugar drink to you, but they'd have to put it into two containers, and the nicety is you'd have to
Adam Curry:
Now, notice that he's saying "sugar drink." He's not saying "high-fructose corn syrup," he says "sugar drink," and he expands on that later.
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
eat all the food in the container in front of you. If it's a bigger container, you'll eat more. If someone put a smaller glass, or plate, or bowl in front of you,
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
you would eat less. At this point, there is an epidemic in this country of people being overweight, bordering on obesity. The number of percentage of the population that is obese is sky-rocketing. In New York City alone, the number of deaths from smoking has declined so much from the number of deaths of obesity has gone up so much, those two are about to cross.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, I don't find that, by the way, because ex-smokers tend to grab onto something, caffeine and "sugary drinks"
Adam Curry:
is a good surrogate for smoking, so that doesn't surprise me.
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
I have more deaths from obesity than from smoking. We've got to something about it. Everybody is wringing their hands saying, "We've got to do something," well, here is a concrete thing, you can still buy large bottles in stores.
Adam Curry:
"You can still", "still" because that's going to be next, but "still."
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
In a restaurant, 16 ounces is the maximum that they would be able to serve in one cup. If you want to order 2 cups at the same time, that's fine. It's your choice.
Adam Curry:
[chuckles] "Go ahead!"
Adam Curry:
It's more expensive.
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
We're not taking away anybody's right to do things. We are simply forcing you to understand that you have to make the concious decision to
Adam Curry:
"We're simply forcing you to make you understand."
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, this guy should be in Berkeley.
Adam Curry:
Now listen to this one because I don;t know if you heard it, he said "You know people will eat whatever's in front of them." Well, he has science to back that up, John, actual
SFX:
Science!
Adam Curry:
Listen to this:
Clip (Speaker 1):
And in schools, are these now banned from schools. I don't know if-
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
Mhm.
Adam Curry:
Oh sorry, that's the wrong one. It's this one.
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
In this case, it's really the public. There was a study done of people sitting in front of a bowl of soup; and they were eating the soup, unbeknownst to them there was a pipe coming into the bowl from underneath. And so, as they ate the bowl kept getting refilled, and they just kept eating, and we're all do that, that's just the way people work.
Adam Curry:
"Yeah, you're stupid. It's these stupid people. It's just the way it works. Stupid idiot. You just eat like a hog."
Adam Curry:
This guy is an elitist prick, dude!
John C. Dvorak:
[chuckle]
Adam Curry:
Totally elitist prick!
John C. Dvorak:
Bloomberg?
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
You're kidding me? Is this a new observation?
Adam Curry:
Okay, so here [chuckle] here's the meme he's introducing. And as it goes onto schools, listen to this meme that he just keeps coming back to which we need to look out for, which is interesting.
Clip (Speaker 1):
And in schools, are these now banned from schools? I don't know if-
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
We have a lot of cities around the country, [that] so longer sell full-sugar drinks in schools. We sell only diet drinks.
Adam Curry:
Oh, aspartame good, full sugar [bad]. But what is this "full-sugar," listen.
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
Kids to tend to drink just a proportionate amount of full-sugar drinks, so the average the average kid is something like 3 full-sugar drinks a day at 12 ounces.
Adam Curry:
"Full-sugar drinks."
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
You could not take that amount of that sugar and put it in a tea and get it dissolve, much less drink it.
Adam Curry:
Oh really?
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
That's an enormous amount of sugar. And I will say..
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] Really?
Adam Curry:
He's done some experiments. "Full-sugar drinks," it's high-fructose corn syrup. Coca Cola is not sold most places, certainly not in New York City with sugar. So, when you say "full-sugar drink," I think that's the code we've got to be on the lookout for.
John C. Dvorak:
What do you think it might be a code for, though?
Adam Curry:
Making high f-
John C. Dvorak:
Still trying to ram this idea that sugar and high-fructose corn syrup-
Adam Curry:
This is the same.
John C. Dvorak:
The obesity thing, sugar has been around for a long time.
John C. Dvorak:
We've been downing since the, you know, the - forever.
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
The obesity plague only, if you look at the curve because all these curves of sugar consumption is going down, like they said. And high-fructose corn syrup consumption is going up, and that curve of the high-fructose corn syrup going up is the exact the same as curve for obesity. And by the way, he says that obesity kills more than tobacco. How do people die from obesity? They die from some complication, they don't die from obesity per se.
John C. Dvorak:
And there're plenty of big,fat people that are like 90 years-old.
Adam Curry:
Yeah? Name two.
John C. Dvorak:
Well, I mean there's plenty.
Adam Curry:
[laughter]
SFX:
Ding!
Adam Curry:
Nah, the guy is a shill. I think that he's basically shilling for anyone who will pay him to say anything, but this full-sugar drinks thing, that is clearly equating high-fructose corn syrup with sugar. Full-sugar drink, it's not sugar, Mike.
John C. Dvorak:
How about this for a new strategy?
Adam Curry:
Alright.
John C. Dvorak:
We're in the meeting, we're having our little..
Adam Curry:
[clears throat]
John C. Dvorak:
public-relations meeting, "So Adam, this high-fructose corn thing is driving everyone crazy, we're obviously not making the connection where everyone realises what we want everyone to realise that corn sugar and sugar is pretty much the same thing."
Adam Curry:
Hold on a second there, John! If you got an idea should I call Mike?
John C. Dvorak:
I got an idea. And it goes like this: we're going to disassociate the two.
Adam Curry:
Ah!
John C. Dvorak:
So, you have full-sugar, and that's bad; high-fructose corn syrup is not sugar. They say that they won't let us do sugar.
Adam Curry:
Ah!
John C. Dvorak:
So that's not full-sugar. There's no sugar in it as a matter of fact.
Adam Curry:
What a great idea! John, you're a genius! So we don't want full-sugar drinks, we don't want sugar. Sugar is like tobacco, It'll kill you! We want high-fructose corn syrup. You sir, are going to be a billionaire.
John C. Dvorak:
How's that for a possibility?
Adam Curry:
I'm buying it. I like it. He had an interesting flub too, which I thought was kind of cool.
Clip (Speaker 1):
Just to make the point this is 12 ounces of Pepsi; this is 20 ounces and this is what would no longer be possible to be sold.
Mayor Michael Bloomerberg:
No no. You could still buy it in the store. Absolutely nobody is taking it away. It's just when you order a drink in a restaurant or in a movie theater, they would have to give you no bigger than a 16 ounce cup. If you want to have multiple ones, that's up to you. We're not taking away anybody's right to do anything. All we're trying to do is to remind you that this is something that could be, should be, is; not should be but is, detrimental to your health.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] "It should be," oops.
John C. Dvorak:
"It should be detrimental." "It should be."
Adam Curry:
"I mean it should be detrimental to your health, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that." Umm, I like your theory, I really like that, and it fits in with what you had from Gupta, and from the NBC panel led by Matt Lauer, and it's like tobacco is gonna kill you, we don't need it.
Adam Curry:
Sugar bad; bad, bad, bad. Science will help you. And, by the way, you're so stupid, you stupid slaves, that if we put a bowl of soup in front of you and we have a tube there and keep feeding you, you will eat until you die. You're so stupid.
John C. Dvorak:
I'm reminded of the Irish joke.
Adam Curry:
What's the Irish joke?
John C. Dvorak:
An Irishman finds a bottle. Rubs it and a genie comes out.
Adam Curry:
Hey! [Irish accent} "'ello, I'm a genie."
John C. Dvorak:
Genie says..
Adam Curry:
Three [3] wishes!
John C. Dvorak:
You've just released me from the bottle, you've got three [3] wishes.
John C. Dvorak:
"You just released me from the bottle, you've got three wishes". And the Irish man says "That's great" and the genie says "What wish number one would you like?" and the Irish man says "Well you know it's hot, I've been working all day, I could go for a Guinness" and the genie says "I'll go you one better, have this Guinness" and he puts the Guinness, boom it shows up, the Irishman drinks it, puts it down and it fills itself back up.
Adam Curry:
Wow.
John C. Dvorak:
Huh, Irish man goes "wow!". He drinks it, puts it down and it fills itself back up. And the genie says, "What would you like for your other two wishes?" and the Irishman says "I'll have two more of these!"
Adam Curry:
[laughs]
SFX:
ding
Adam Curry:
No offense to the Irish, who I think are actually pretty cool.
John C. Dvorak:
Well, there is a lot of news [chuckles], financial news that is coming out of Ireland and elsewhere, especially the EU.
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
And it doesn't look good. I think we should take a break and thank our two [2] Executive Producers before we..
Adam Curry:
Yes. Clearly June Gloom is upon us.
John C. Dvorak:
Nobody listens to the show on Sunday.
Adam Curry:
I can't handle the see-saw. We get great on Thursday and then it's like a gut-punch on Sunday. If we could just even it out a little bit. It's like a donkey punch, almost.
John C. Dvorak:
Donkey punch?!
Adam Curry:
Do you know what a donkey punch is?
John C. Dvorak:
I don't know what that is.
Adam Curry:
Mmmm, John...
Jingle:
Consult the Book Of Knowledge.
Adam Curry:
Just Google donkey punch my friend. [laughs]
John C. Dvorak:
Ok, let me look at..[types] donkey punch.
Adam Curry:
[chuckling] The chat room is going like "Oh jeez."
John C. Dvorak:
[reading] A sexual practice known as, during donkey-style sex, especially anal. Reported practice involves...duh-duh-duh..punching the partner in the back of the head? Oh please.
Adam Curry:
[laughing] That's exactly how I feel. I got donkey punched.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah. You wish.
Adam Curry:
I can't believe you and Mimi haven't tried that one out.
John C. Dvorak:
So anyway, let's take our 2 Executive Producers, before we start losing listeners.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
John C. Dvorak:
We have 1 Executive Producer and 1 Associate Executive. Jan Coolia-Paine, I think. What do you think?
Adam Curry:
Essen... Essen where?
John C. Dvorak:
Deutschland. That's Deutschland.
Adam Curry:
Essen, Deutschland. Jan Coolia-Paine, is what I would say.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, with a Dutch accent, okay.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
John C. Dvorak:
He's drunk, so I have to read it as thus:
John C. Dvorak:
It's $500.17 by the way.
Adam Curry:
Wait a minute, you have to do a drunk German accent now. It's a littler harder.
John C. Dvorak:
[practices]
Adam Curry:
[chuckle]
John C. Dvorak:
"Donating completely drunk, which should be a prerequisite. I welcome my new human resource, Elisa. In Germany, "In Goimany"
Adam Curry:
"Germany."
John C. Dvorak:
it is a tradition" I'd have to do "Germany"
Adam Curry:
Chermany, Chermany.
John C. Dvorak:
"In Shermany, we have a tradition to get completely drunk! to help the baby pee."
Adam Curry:
[laughter]
John C. Dvorak:
"Guess I succeeded. Just want to tell the change to tell you, you rock; and keep me insane.
Adam Curry:
[laughter]
John C. Dvorak:
At least, when I'm sober. Just hope my daughter keeps the same direction, maybe without the help of alcohol. The donation reflects her birthday, May 17th. PS, please give my daughter a Clippity-Clop Karma, so she can get behind this crap soon.
Adam Curry:
[chuckles]
Jingle:
It's clippity-clop. The message is clear.
Jingle:
It's clippity-clop. The message is clear. Just clippity-clop. [laughter]
SFX:
Dry coconut shells.
Jingle:
You've got karma! [harp]
Adam Curry:
Nice! The clippity-clop jingle with the coconuts! Nice!
John C. Dvorak:
The dry coconuts.
Adam Curry:
Well, you deserve that for a 5-17 donation. No one, by the way picked up on the lucky palindrome, 4-1-4.
John C. Dvorak:
The 4-1-4. It's weird.
Adam Curry:
Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
You'd think. Our audience; but..
Adam Curry:
There you go. There you go.
John C. Dvorak:
Vaginelle in Chicago, Illinois. $250.07. That's it, no note except "Pronounced Vaginelle" [chuckles] I thank him - it's actually a male. Not sure what the deal it, but..
ac: I like the Vaginelle moniker. I like that. I think that's good.
It sounds like a product.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, that's why I like it. "Ladies, for those moments when you're-"
John C. Dvorak:
So, those are our 2 Executive Producers and we want to thank them and we'll thank the rest of our donors later for show 414,
John C. Dvorak:
which everyone seemed to have missed the palindrome there. I want to remind you dvorack.org/na, ChannelDvorack.com/na, NoAgendaShow and NoAgendaNation.com and help us continue this. Hopefully next Sunday, we can can have a little more even donations.
Adam Curry:
"Vaginelle. For when you're feeling not-so-fresh down there!"
Jingle:
Dvorack.org/na
Adam Curry:
Two PR initiatives, well actually just want to give a shout-out to Mrs. Gitmo Slave. Gitmo Slave and MrOil have a run on infrastructural. Sir Gitmo Slave is there every show day. No matter what, even on his daughter's birthday. Like, on Thursday to make sure we get on the stream. She's recovering from surgery, so shout-out to her.
Adam Curry:
Kiwi Chris sent me a beautiful email with some picture, I'm not posting the pictures. I don;t know if anyone wants to know what Kiwi Chris looks like; if he wants everyone to know what he looks like. He's a cyclist. He has made this custom-made cycling outfit. These are what Lance Armstrong would wear. It's actually really cool looking! You can order them on-line that through a company called EclipseCycling.com, and I've put the link in the show notes.
Adam Curry:
414.nashownotes.com I don't think we get any bennies from it, but he says it's a great way to propagate the formula. He just basically uploaded these designs and you can buy the gear, you know those skin-tight kind of outfits?
John C. Dvorak:
That's what I wear.
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] They got No Agenda on his butt. So, when you're hunched over, cycling on your 10-speed, everyone's like looking at "No Aganda" when they see your ass.
Adam Curry:
But its kinda cool, I think it's a good promotion. All these guys are filled with stickers and promotion and stuff. This looks really, really good. So if you're- so this is all part of our no agenda racing-team initiative. So we have motorcycles, we have- we don't have it confirmed yet but I think we have have someone in the Mustang class, which will have a car, and now we have bicycles. So this is good, we need a boat, and we need one of those Red Bull planes
John C. Dvorak:
[chuckle]
Adam Curry:
Then I think we're set.
John C. Dvorak:
[makes propeller plane noises]
Adam Curry:
Anyway, just another way you can go out and do something extremely important. You all can always try to propagate our formula.
Jingle:
Our formula is this, we go out, we hit people in the mouth. New. World. Order.
Adam Curry:
New. World. Order. Come on kiddies, you know you want to say it. Shutup Slave.
John C. Dvorak:
And you know, people can go to dvorak.org/banners and pick up one of any number of banners and put it on your, uh, blog or put it on somebody else's blog or...
Adam Curry:
Or your ass.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah. Put it on a hat. You can, uh...
Adam Curry:
By the way, John..
John C. Dvorak:
You can also, by the way, re-post our show - I wish people would do more of that.
Adam Curry:
Yeah. Well, you know, Arsonomics does a lot on YouTube - I like what he does. He'll clip something he likes from the show and then he'll, uh, do a screencast. You can look him up on YouTube - Arsonomics, good guy. And John, lest I forget happy LGBT Pride Month!
John C. Dvorak:
I didn't know it was LGBT month.
Adam Curry:
Yes!
John C. Dvorak:
What about LGBTQI, or what ever it is?
Adam Curry:
[chuckle] "Therefore I, Barak Obama, The President of the United States by virtue of authority vested in me by the constitution and laws of the United States do hereby proclaim June 2012 as Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual, and Trans-gender Pride Month."
John C. Dvorak:
I'm glad they have a month. Instead of a week. I was at the office.
Adam Curry:
The office of Mevio. Yes?
John C. Dvorak:
And the Bravo people are doing a..
Adam Curry:
Aww, you're finally on Bridezilla's.
John C. Dvorak:
Almost. So, the Bravo people are there, doing a reality show with Sarah Austin as one of the players.
Adam Curry:
What's the show?
John C. Dvorak:
I don't know. It's called Silicon Valley Titans. Something stupid.
Adam Curry:
That's Bravo. I thought it was like a CNN series.
John C. Dvorak:
Naw. This is the Bravo one. You can look it up. Let me go find it.
Adam Curry:
I'll do that. You tell the story. I'll look it up.
John C. Dvorak:
So, anyway, they're shooting this and she's in there doing something. And I got in one of the acts. I got in one of the bits. I can sign off on it.
Adam Curry:
Did you have to learn a script for this reality show?
John C. Dvorak:
No, no, no. These things are non-scripted. That's the way they work. But, what they do is they have you do stuff over and over. What I thought was interesting, is the film crew is huge. There were like, at any given time, there is three [3] people with cameras roaming around shooting everything they can and then there's another two or three..
Adam Curry:
This is Randi Zuckerberg's project.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, Zuckerberg's the one.
Adam Curry:
Zuckerber's..sister?
John C. Dvorak:
Sister. Yeah. She needs the money.
Adam Curry:
[sighs] Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
She has a bunch of stock, so she's probably a billionaire. Anyway, I was interested in the process. So they have lots of cameras and they have this one guy, the sound guy, who hides microphones on people and you'll never see these mikes. The guy is really good at it. The mikes are all hidden on everyone.
Adam Curry:
You've got a mike?
John C. Dvorak:
I'm sorry?
Adam Curry:
Did you get a mike?
John C. Dvorak:
I was miked. I didn't get to take a mike home.
Adam Curry:
[laughs] I don't mean that. Were you miked? Yeah.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, I was miked.
Adam Curry:
Did you take it home?
John C. Dvorak:
I should have snuck out. As soon as you're done with your bit the guy runs right over and grabs the mike because I think people try to sneak out with them.
Adam Curry:
Yeah, of course.
John C. Dvorak:
He's got this big backpack-size thing in front of him.
Adam Curry:
Yeah. A mixer.
John C. Dvorak:
With a huge mixer. Huge. With things sticking in and wires, like about twenty [20] antennas. I'm surprised he doesn't fall over because of this thing. He's adjusting stuff. The director has got..this whole thing is a wireless operation..all the cameras are all filming at the same time, so it's all being recorded. But, they're also, wirelessly, going into a monitor that the director has and it's a portable handheld. It looks like an iPad.
Adam Curry:
He's making a rough cut, right there, as you are going.
John C. Dvorak:
Right. And he's got a little microphone right about a quarter of an inch from his mouth that he whispers into. [whispers] "Move camera five [5] over to.., move camera two [2], now get that shot of that guy over there." But, you can't really hear him. You'd have to stand right next to him to hear his direction. But, he's directing the traffic. Then, there's one other guy with a big boom mike. The big overhead thing, because not everyone is miked, and somebody will jump in out of the blue and this guy's got to run over there with the boom mike and hang it on the person.
Adam Curry:
Right.
John C. Dvorak:
It' was kind of interesting to watch. Very slick.
Adam Curry:
Now, did you propagate the formula?
John C. Dvorak:
I had my No Agenda hoodie on. It said No Agenda on the front.
Adam Curry:
Don't you understand? John, hold on a second. Do you ever watch these shows? They blur that out, man.
John C. Dvorak:
No, the guy came up and asked about it. And I said, "No, I own this. This is mine. This is public domain. You don't have to blur it out. It's not anything.
Adam Curry:
No, we'll see. I'll bet you ten [10] sheckles they will blur it out.
John C. Dvorak:
If I don't end up on the cutting room floor.
Adam Curry:
They blur out pictures on the wall. They blur out everything.
John C. Dvorak:
Well, if they blur it out they blur it out. So anyway, I did my best, because I wasn't even going to go into the office and somebody said "they're shooting". So I grabbed a No Agenda shirt and ran in there and then threw myself into one of the bits.
Adam Curry:
You're such a hero.
jd:I am. I threw myself into one of the bits, because I was watching it and I said, "None of this is going to get on the air. These guys suck."
They suck.
John C. Dvorak:
We, the people in our group, they suck.
Adam Curry:
[laughs] I've got the trailer, here, from Bravo. This fantastic show called Silicon Valley. Let's see if we get it without a..aw, I'm sorry..we gotta get a commercial first. The Internet is doomed and it's not Vint Cerf, it's the commercials. That's what's dooming the Internet. Adobe Flash.
John C. Dvorak:
Adobe Flash is killing me.
Adam Curry:
So, it's called Silicon Valley. Who do they have on here? Anybody interesting?
John C. Dvorak:
I've never heard of any of them.
Adam Curry:
Randi Zuckerberg is the biggest name on it. Only because..Randi Zuck..just call her Randi Zuck.
Clip:
[trailer announcer]Bravo has the shows you love. And this year we're giving you five [5] more that you won't want to miss!
Clip (Speaker 1):
[female voice] Come on. Be fabulous. [group woot]
Adam Curry:
New series.
Clip (Speaker 2):
[female voice]New York City is the only city I would live in.
Clip:
[trailer announcer]These seven [7] women chic women are taking on the New York City art world..
Adam Curry:
What is this...aw, this is all their new shows.
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah, you might as well kill it. I think we've said enough. But, apparently there is another crew in town at the cheese place, at the Ferry Building, and they bought a big giant thing of cheese, you know, one of those giant wheels, and they use it as a gimmick to roll it down the street. Which apparently irked everybody because it's just a waste of good cheese. I don't know what they're up to.
Adam Curry:
[chuckles] They roll cheese down the street?
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah.
Adam Curry:
[gravel voice] "Hey man, I got a good idea for a new show."
Adam Curry:
Down the street. Hey man great idea for a new show!
John C. Dvorak:
I think most of this stuff doesn't get on the air.
Adam Curry:
ahh, well anyway, it's sad
John C. Dvorak:
and I didn't get paid so I wasn't going to go back
Adam Curry:
No that's the beauty of these shows you don't get paid
John C. Dvorak:
Yeah
Adam Curry:
Well great John, so were going see like you walking in the background the guy with the huge unit will have you potted down and you'll be wearing a blurred shirt
Adam Curry:
and you'll be wearing a blurred shirt and voice over will be, here's the voice over what's the girls name in the show?
John C. Dvorak:
Sarah Austin
Adam Curry:
Sarah Austin, for some reason Sarah Austin grand father showed up, walking around aimlessly he has
John C. Dvorak:
You're amusing yourself.
Adam Curry:
[Laughing] I am. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can't help it.
John C. Dvorak:
[Inaudible]
Adam Curry:
Hey, OK, now let's get something serious here. I am --
John C. Dvorak:
Like the collapse of Europe?
Adam Curry:
Yeah, go ahead. Hit me with the collapse of Europe.
John C. Dvorak:
Well, there was a--
Adam Curry:
Whoa, hold on a second. If we're going to do the actual collapse of Europe, then let's do it properly.
Jingle:
The Euro.
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closing theme
Clip:
We've been having this party now for years. It seems like every year it gets to be a little bit more fun and a couple more people come and you know it started off small and now the younger people are coming, and this year we had a girl come.
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Adios mofo
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